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[Ephialtes]

Μωλις τελειωσα το Bounen no Xamdou, και μου αρεσε παρα πολυ(αν και το "ετρεξαν" πολυ στο τελος, μιας και η ιστορια αυτη θα μπορουσε , κατα την αποψη μου, να κρατησει 50+ επεισοδεια), και θα ηθελα να δω κατι παρομοιο. Τι εχετε να μου προτεινετε?

[roriconfan]

Μωλις τελειωσα το Bounen no Xamdou, και μου αρεσε παρα πολυ(αν και το "ετρεξαν" πολυ στο τελος, μιας και η ιστορια αυτη θα μπορουσε , κατα την αποψη μου, να κρατησει 50+ επεισοδεια), και θα ηθελα να δω κατι παρομοιο. Τι εχετε να μου προτεινετε?

Παρόμοια με το Bounen με αερόπλοια είναι το Eureka 7 και το Last Exile (αν και τα θεωρώ κατώτερα του).

Σοβαρό πολεμικό δράμα με αεροπλάνα χωρίς τέρατα και λοιπές φαντασιοπληκτικές αηδίες είναι το Area 88 (οι παλιές 3 όβες και όχι η σούπα ριμέηκ σειρά).

Brigadoon

Vision of Escaflowne

Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (η παλιά γνωστή ταινία του Μιγιαζάκι)

[Ephialtes]

Παρόμοια με το Bounen με αερόπλοια είναι το Eureka 7 και το Last Exile (αν και τα θεωρώ κατώτερα του).

Σοβαρό πολεμικό δράμα με αεροπλάνα χωρίς τέρατα και λοιπές φαντασιοπληκτικές αηδίες είναι το Area 88 (οι παλιές 3 όβες και όχι η σούπα ριμέηκ σειρά).

Brigadoon

Vision of Escaflowne

Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (η παλιά γνωστή ταινία του Μιγιαζάκι)

Ευχαριστω roricon, θα τα δοκιμασω ολα ξεκινοντας απο το Eureka 7

PS: μ'αρεσουν οι φαντασιοπληκτες αηδιες στα ανιμε

[roriconfan]

Λίγο αόριστο αλλά κάνω κάποια recommedations εδώ.

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Ανανεώθηκε, με νέο feature. Recommendations!
Στήλη Α: Όνομα anime
Στήλη Β: Βαθμολογία στο anidb 1-10 (στρογγυλοποιημένη)
Στήλη C: Προσωπική βαθμολογία 1-100 (μη δίνετε πολύ σημασία αν έχετε άλλα γούστα)
Στήλη D: Γρήγορη περιγραφή και μερικά προσωπικά σχόλια.
Στήλη Ε: Μια παρόμοια σειρά που προτείνω να δείτε σαν αυτήν.
Στήλη F: Η φήμη της σειράς (προσωπική εκτίμηση)
Στήλη G: Χρωματάκια για προσωπικά σχόλια. Μη δίνετε σημασία.

Δεν έχω ολοκληρώσει όλες τις σειρές. Ακόμα στο 1/4ο όλων των τίτλων είμαι αλλά πάρτε μια πρώτη εντύπωση και σχολιάστε τίποτα αν σας ενοχλεί. Και όπως είπαμε, αυτήν είναι η προσωπική μου εκτίμηση και αν κάπου διαφωνείτε, ευχαρίστως κρατίστε αντίγραφο για τον εαυτό σας και αλλάξτε την όπως θέλετε την λίστα.

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[Gaiseric]

Ephialtes, θα συμφωνήσω με την πρόταση για το Last Exile, το οποίο θα το θεωρούσα διαμάντι ανώτερο του Bounen no Xamdou αν

Spoiler: Μην το διαβάσεις εσύ αυτό!

δε μας τα είχε χαλάσει λιγάκι στο τέλος.

[Sora]

Μωλις τελειωσα το Bounen no Xamdou, και μου αρεσε παρα πολυ

Brigadoon

τα κατεβαζω asap, δν τα εχω δει και θα σας εμπιστευτω!

επισης ψαχνω και ενα anime στυλ gintama

[Melkor]

επισης ψαχνω και ενα anime στυλ gintama

does not compute.
watch Gintama again
and again
and again
and again

[Nighteyes]

does not compute.
watch Gintama again
and again
and again
and again

:hahaha:


Sora το Gintama είναι one of a kind. Και όπως λέει ο Melkor, όσες φορές και να το δεις δεν το βαριέσαι. Κάποια επεισόδια τα έχω δει δυο και τρεις φορές και μάλλον θα τα βλέπω για πολύ καιρό ακόμη σε rerun.

[Kenny]

Μωλις τελειωσα το Bounen no Xamdou, [...] Τι εχετε να μου προτεινετε?

Brigadoon

Σου λένε για seinen sci-fi military drama, και δη ένα από τα καλύτερα anime του 2008, κι εσύ προτείνεις loli slapstick ecchi comedy του κ**ου;

Ephialtes και Sora, ΜΗΝ δείτε το Brigadoon. Ή τουλάχιστον να ξέρετε τι πρόκειται να δείτε, πρωτού το δείτε.

Για κάτι σε στυλ Bounen No Xamdou, εκτός από αυτά που προαναφέρθηκαν, προτείνω και το Blue Submarine No. 6.

[roriconfan]

Sora και Ephialtes, αυτό είναι το ρίβιου μου για το Brigadoon. Σας το προτείω γιατί έχει ανάπτυξη χαρακτήρων ισάξια του Xamdou και δεν είναι slapstick του κ*λου.

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WARNING TO READERS! THIS REVIEW IS EXTREMELY LONG AND CONTAINS SUBTLE PLOT SPOILERS!

PROLOGUE
Man, this is by far the most misunderstood series I know of! At first glance, it has a medium average on anidb, it has only one review (now two), it has a silly picture on the main page and it is never spoken of in any forums (meaning, it has no hype and left no specific impressions when it came out). So, anyone trying to judge it by the looks of it alone (like me), he/she will come to the conclusion that it’s a mediocre and forgettable title… Guess my surprise when I found out that this is far from the truth.

It turns out that the major flaw of this series is also its strongest point. And that point is that IT IS NOT AGE OR GENRE SPECIFIC! What I mean is…
a) It has bright colors, usually cheery atmosphere, cute little girls and fuzzy animals, a magical land made out of sweets and continually presents love and compassion to be the powers that surpass all others. You’d think it’s a silly children’s adventure for little kids, right? Wrong! Read reason (b).
b) It has several scenes of female nudity, sci-fi battles, mass destruction, suffering and death. You’d think it’s an action series for teenage boys, right? Wrong! Read reason ©.
c) It is using ALL the bishojo stereotypes to build a dramatic story. We have a beautiful girl, which is orphan, very poor, hated by others of her age, falling in love for the first time, losing her loved ones, losing her eyesight, losing her identity, crying all the time but always staying kind-heated and forgives others. There is even a subtle yuri relationship about her as well. You’d think it’s a teen drama series for teenage girls, right? Wrong! Read reason (d).

d) It has a lot of mysteries, very evolving story, multi-layered characters, several mental breakdowns, dementia and sexual innuendo scenes. You’d think it’s a mature series for adults, right? Wrong! Read reasons (a, b and c).

So there’s why this series is hard to be appreciated. If you try to watch it with the premise that it aims at a specific age or has a specific genre, you won’t like it. In fact, if you dislike even one of the following age-specific genres, you will hate it: Kodomo, Shonen, Shojo, Seinen.
This series is a blend of all the above. It is sometimes only one of them, it is sometimes only another. But it doesn’t feel like a patchwork of irrelevant ideas. It is a fine combination and you will never feel like you are watching 4 different stories, mingled in the same series.
I must tell you that I’m a seasoned otaku, with more than 1.500 series on my back. I know very well of series that blend different genres in an attempt to look interesting and original. For instance:
a) Elfen Lien mixed the Harem genre with Dementia and Gore. It became quite famous for its shocking scenes but it was generally a pointless series with shallow characters and story that LOOKED interesting because of the gore and the ecchi. But nothing more.
b) Kannazuki no Miko mixed the Romance genre with Mecha and a tragic Yuri relationship. It became quite famous for its lesbian relationship but it was generally a simple series with fake characters and story that LOOKED interesting because of the yuri atmosphere and the mecha battles. But nothing more.
c) School Days mixed the School Life genre (a Slice-Of-Life sub genre) with Dementia and Sex. It became quite famous for its tragic romantic relationships and the violent ending but it was generally a silly series that LOOKED interesting because of the wacky ending. But nothing more.
Of course, there are many fanatics who consider the above titles to be the best anime ever and will tell you otherwise. But for me these series mislead by providing shocking scenes rather than the true essence of a good series (which are the Story and the Characters). This is only my opinion and if you disagree, please don’t bury this review just because of it.
Anyway, the above examples were given just to prove to you that I’m accustomed to genre-mixing series. There are many titles that became famous because of it and others who were forgotten for the same reason. Brigadoon is in fact one of those. Which is very sad because I consider it a far better title that all of the above put together.
Ok, enough with the intro. (THIS IS STILL THE PROLOGUE!) Onwards with the scoring. Each section will be intentionally separated into 4 parts, each describing the age-oriented specifics.

ANIMATION SECTION: 8
For kids to notice:
-There are many bright palette colors in the series and most characters are drawn rather cartoonish (just notice Marin’s feet).
-There are many cute looking cat-like creatures with silly names (Lolo, Lele, Lala), hailing from a magical land filled with wacky constructions.
-There is a sub-space land where everything is made out of sweets. The delicious, candy shop variety ones.
-The way the characters move and grim during slapstick scenes is as funny as those old Tom & Jerry short sketches.
For teenage boys to notice:
-Lots of female nudity! Ecchi on almost every episode! But most of it is pantsu shots and 13 year old girls without breasts. Don’t expect extreme scenes… Unless you consider naked 13 year olds running around to be considered pedophilic. There are lots of those!
-Cool mecha, explosions, sci-fi battles, and mass destructions everywhere! And not Voltes-5 fake ones, where they waste time throwing weak ammo until they remember to pull the sword and defeat the bad robot in the same way all the time. Each battle is different, has a strategy and it is not raw power that decides the winner (Dragon Ball Z, eat dirt!). Plus, the good robot, Melan, is neither indestructible nor he wins all the time.
For teenage girls to notice: Lots of romantic and tragic scenes, where girls blush, cry and yearn for their loved one.
For adults to notice:
-Just look at the realistic way the buildings and temples of Earth are depicted. Most are based on real locations. And we are talking about a lot of locations.
-Notice the smart way the Brigadoon world is depicted. Nothing feels to be drawn randomly. Everything is made with a specific idea in mind.
-Every Monomakia (Brigadoon machines) are insanely great to look at. The Far Observation Monomakia is a creature, whose grinning mouth is a screen and its dozen breasts are the command buttons. The Far Communication Monomakia is a cat-like telephone, where it goes “Mew! Mew!” when it rings and you dial numbers with its soft paws. The Conscience Teleportation Monomakia is a contraption where you enter through its ass and come out of its mouth. The Self-Destruction Monomakia is tribute to the self-destruction mechanism the Hollywood-movie Predator was using to commit suicide.
Final saying : The Animation scored an 8 because it has cartoonish characters and because the motion fluidity is not flawless. If you want a series with a 10 in realism, just watch Seirei no Moribito .

SOUND SECTION: 9
For kids to notice: Marin is very cute when making jokes. Just listen to the funny way the creatures of Brigadoon talk and the silly sounds they make while moving.
For teenage boys to notice: Lots of special effects in battles and sci-fi scenes. The fighting Gunswordsmen have a cool heavy-dude way of talking.
For teenage girls to notice: Lots of romantic and tragic dialogues.
For adults to notice: The music themes! My God! What kind of music is that? Chorus/traditional Japanese-something type! I loved it in Escaflowne , I loved it in Gust videogames , I loved it here as well. Elegiac to the point of feeling like soaring in the sky (which is exactly what the intro clip is showing).
Final saying : The Sound scored a 9 because it simply is not as great as .hack//SIGN .

STORY SECTION: 8
For kids to notice: The way love and compassion is a panacea when everything seems to be out to get you.
For teenage boys to notice: The cool revelations concerning the upcoming destruction of both worlds and Marin’s story.
For teenage girls to notice: The interesting evolution of the relationship between Marin and Melan. It’s not straightforward; it has its ups and downs. Be warned that Marin is just 13 years old, while Melan appears to be an adult. This may strike as sick love to some.
For adults to notice:
-The story itself is a lot more complicating than it originally appears to be.
-It takes place in 1968 and includes real events, social issues and famous personalities of that time.
-It includes many different themes, such as coming-of-age, war drama, political intrigues, philosophical debates, existencialism issues, and sci-fi ideas, such as parallel universes and time travel.
-The plot-driving phantasies Marin has are very Jung and Freud-based (sexual, that is).
Final saying : The Story scored an 8 because some parts feel rather forced. There are some Deus Ex Machina events that ruin the seriousness of the story. Plus, all the beating Marin and Melan experienced throughout the series would be enough to kill an elephant; but they appear to survive all the time.

CHARACTER SECTION: 8
For kids to notice: The cute denizens of Brigadoon are hilariously funny. They talk like scientists but move like asylum madmen and throw pies at each other instead of using violence.
For teenage boys to notice: The way the cool Gunswordsmen fulfill their duty and the true intentions of the sinister Renegades are great.
For teenage girls to notice:
-Marin is the epitome of tragic bishojo characters.
-Moe is there to spice things up with her frail and yurish behavior.
-Melan is the handsome knight in shining armor of all romances.
For adults to notice:
-There are no stunts. Everyone takes part in the story and affects the events in it.
-All characters mature as the story progresses.
-No one is there just for laughs or cries; they all were both funny and tragic.
-Some have secret agendas that are revealed only in the end.
-All of them have a rather strong presence and differ from one another.
-Marin’s way of thinking and imagining upcoming events is incredible!
Final saying : The Characters scored an 8 because sometimes they change emotions too fast. One moment they suffer and cry, the other they are up and laughing. But this does not include the scenes with the teenage girls who do that many times because they are entering puberty and they are stormed by emotions.


VALUE SECTION: 7
Anyone who watches this, no matter if he/she liked it or not, will definitely admit that it’s an original and well-planned series. Its multiple elements and heavy atmosphere may take some time to rekindle your interest in it but it will definitely be in the back of your mind for the rest of your life.

ENJOYMENT SECTION: 8
This section has to do with my personal tastes alone. After watching 1.500 series, you start to feel that most series just copy one another. You see how the same things happen all the time in all the series and start to yearn for something different. This series is one of those cases.
-Unlike Elfen Lied, Kannazuki no Miko and School Days, it didn’t try to be interesting just with cheap shocking events.
-It had an interesting story, which constantly evolved without being too repetitive.
-It had no fillers! Most series have story only in the first and the last episodes.
-It was a fine blend of most genres, without becoming inconsistent amongst them.
So, ok, sometimes the events and the characters feel very fake and there is always some Deus Ex Machina way to escape danger. And the yuri relationship is not really explored. But these take only a small portion out of the whole pie.

VERDICT
The accused is found … NOT GUILTY! … He uses too many spices but the final dish is quite something.

SUGGESTION LIST
All of the following titles partially remind me of Brigadoon. But as a whole, none of them were as good as it was.
Card Captor Sakura. (good) There are similarities when it comes to the subtle yuri relationship between the two main girls and in the way Sakura, like Marin, changes clothes all the time and collects strange creatures. But there is no general story in this one; just simple adventures and slice-of-life.
Figure 17. (good) There are similarities when it comes to the way slice-of-life and good action scenes were mixed together in the life of a normal girl. But the general story is quite simple.
Digimon Tamers. (very good) There are similarities when it comes to the way kids find creatures from another weird world, which starts to mingle in the sky with their own. The story is also perplex as well.
Escaflowne. (very good) There are similarities when it comes to the way a normal girl is taken to magical world filled with handsome knights and mecha. And the music themes are also as great.
P.S. If you see the ratings in my other reviews, you will realize that I rate really strict and low. If you respect my opinion about the series and of the way I rate in general, you can imagine how really good a seasoned otaku like me considers this series to be.

[noname]

:hahaha:


Sora το Gintama είναι one of a kind. Και όπως λέει ο Melkor, όσες φορές και να το δεις δεν το βαριέσαι. Κάποια επεισόδια τα έχω δει δυο και τρεις φορές και μάλλον θα τα βλέπω για πολύ καιρό ακόμη σε rerun.

αν και έχω δει μόνο ένα επεισόδιο ... νομίζω πώς το Ranma1/2 είναι αρκετά κοντά στο Gintama από άποψη στυλ ...

[Phantom Duck]

Αν και προς το παρόν δεν έχω δει παρά αποσπασματικά κομμάτια επεισοδίων Gintama, πιστεύω πως τα Slayers θα σε καλύψουν.

[roriconfan]

Και όποιος θέλει κάτι σαν το Slayers, ας δει και Mahoujin Guruguru που είναι παρωδία των Jrpg.

[Kenny]

Sora και Ephialtes, αυτό είναι το ρίβιου μου για το Brigadoon. Σας το προτείω γιατί έχει ανάπτυξη χαρακτήρων ισάξια του Xamdou και δεν είναι slapstick του κ*λου.

roriconfan, είχες δεν είχες, πάλι postαρες 1) σεντόνι, 2) στα αγγλικά, 3) με plot spoilers εντός. Ποιος στα αλήθεια πιστεύεις ότι θα κάτσει να το διαβάσει όλο αυτό (και μάλιστα να spoilerιαστεί), μόνο και μόνο για να δει ΑΝ θα πειστεί να ξεκινήσει τη σειρά; Σου τα λέω αυτά γιατί βλέπω και το έχεις ξανακάνει σε ένα σωρό άλλα anime threads. Αν στα αλήθεια πιστεύεις ότι προσφέρεις σ' αυτό το forum με το να κάνεις ξερά copy-paste από το aniDB, μάλλον πρέπει να το ξανασκεφτείς. Αν όχι οτιδήποτε άλλο, τουλάχιστον μετέφραζέ τα στα ελληνικά.

Σε ενόχλησε ο χαρακτηρισμός "του κ**ου", και έσπευσες να υπερασπιστείς το Brigadoon, μην συνειδητοποιόντας ότι έτσι βγαίνεις off-topic. Σκοπός του Anime Recommendations thread δεν είναι να μπαίνεις εσύ ή εγώ και να υπερασπίζεσαι την τιμή και το όνομα του Brigadoon (και του κάθε Brigadoon), αλλά να προτείνεις το κατάλληλο anime στα κατάλληλα άτομα την κατάλληλη στιγμή.

Και σε άτομο που σου λέει ότι μόλις τελείωσε Bounen No Xamdou και θέλει κάτι ανάλογο, ε δεν του πετάς Brigadoon.

Υπερασπίζεσαι το recommendation σου λέγοντας ότι έχει ανάπτυξη χαρακτήρων ισάξια του Xamdou. Κάτι τέτοιο, πέρα από highly debatable, είναι αδιάφορο για τον σκοπό που εξυπηρετεί το παρόν thread. Το αν μία σειρά έχει καλό character development αποτελεί καθαρά technical attribute της σειράς, όπως και αν το μία σειρά έχει ευρηματική σκηνοθεσία, προσεγμένο animation, ή καλόδουλεμένο voice acting. Όλα αυτά συνηγορούν στο αν μία σειρά είναι καλή ή κακή in its own right, αλλά όχι στο σε ποιον και πότε να την προτείνεις.

Όταν κάποιος ζητάει προτάσεις, το κάνει γιατί θέλει να δει κάτι παρόμοιο με αυτό που μόλις είδε. Για να κάνεις μια επιτυχημένη πρόταση, θα πρέπει τα genres να συμπίπτουν όσο το δυνατόν περισσότερο. Και φτάνουμε στο ζήτημα: Το Bounen No Xamdou είναι ένα military sci-fi DRAMA, ενώ το Brigadoon είναι ένα ecchi sci-fi COMEDY. Επειδή και τα δύο είναι sci-fi, δεν σημαίνει ότι πέτυχες αρκετή συμβατότητα. Είναι σαν να μου ζητάει κάποιος anime σαν τα Kenshin OVAs, και να τον στέλνω για Bleach επειδή έχουν και τα δύο swordfights. Καταλαβαίνεις που το πάω.

Στην τελική, πρότεινε και το τελείως εναλλακτικό, αλλά οφείλεις να προειδοποιήσεις τον άλλον για το πόσο ριζικά διαφέρει από αυτό που μόλις είδε. Μην του γράφεις ένα ξερό "Brigadoon" και τον παίρνεις στον λαιμό σου.

[roriconfan]

Εδώ έχεις ένα δίκιο. Λοιπόν, προτείνω το Brigadoon γιατί όπως και το Xamdou:

-Έχει πολύ καλό character development
-Είναι sci-fi
-Έχουνε πολλές πτήσεις (πολλοί πετάνε)
-'Εχουνε φανταστικά πλάσματα να πολεμάνε

Σε αντίθεση με το Xamdou όμως, η πλοκή πάει πιο γρήγορα και το τέλος δεν είναι σούπα.
Α ναι, και έχει loli και περισσότερο χιούμορ από όσο δράμα. Αν και προς το τέλος, το dementia πέφτει σύννεφο.