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[Robin-Chwan]

Spoiler:

Δεν μας εδειξε ακομα τις τελευταιες του σκηνες. Αμα πεθανει τελικα (που θα πεθανει) εγω λεω οτι θα χαμογελασει πριν!

[CuttyFlam]

Το φάγατε όλοι το παραμύθι, όταν κάνει την ninjia ο Oda θα μείνουμε όλοι κάγκελο

Edited by CuttyFlam, 09 February 2010 - 00:46.

[Getekid]

Spoiler:

Αν είναι αλήθεια τα spoilers τότε πολύ κρίμα για τον Ace. Θα μπορούσε να είχε κάνει πολλά ακόμη στην ιστορία αλλά έτσι το one piece πέρνει μια τελείως καινούργια τροπή.
Όλοι οι πειρατές θα ταρακουνηθούν από αυτήν την απώλεια. Θα δούμε έναν καινούργιο Luffy γεμάτο εκρήξεις συναισθημάτων και δυνατών αποφάσεων. Ύστερα ο καθένας Strawhat pirate θα επιστρέψει αναβαθμισμένος και εξελιγμένος. Θα ξεκινήσει μια καινούργια περίοδος για τον κόσμο (του one piece). ΤΟ ONE PIECE ΩΡΙΜΑΖΕΙ ΚΑΙ ΘΕΛΩ ΤΟΥΛΑΧΙΣΤΟΝ ΑΛΛΑ ΤΟΣΑ ΤΕΥΧΗ ΤΟΥ NEW ERA!!!

Δεν το πιστεύω 573 τεύχη και δεν έχουμε δει ακόμα τίποτα.

[D.Dragon]

Έχουμε raw για τους ανυπόμονους.

[laraska]

θα ηταν τρομερα καλο να πεθαινε ... αλλα δεν το βλεπω .
ολοι απλα περιμεναμε πως θα τον σωσει ... και μονο! επισης αν ο ρουφφυ θα εκανε κανα αλλο μαγικο ... και αν θα εμφανιστει ο ντραγκον .
και εγω λυπηθηκα , αλλα περα του οτι θελει να γινει βασιλιας των πειρατων επειδη απλα ετσι του καπνισε ... πρεπει να εχει εναν σοβαρο λογο και αν εχει το βαρος απο την μεση και κατω να συνεχισει το ταξιδι του . θελω να τον δω να σηκωνεται και να αλλαζει τα φωτα του αικανου και των αλλων , αλλιως θα ειναι φλωρια . δεν θελω να αποχωρησουν ετσι σαν κυνηγημενοι .

[Zem@c]

γκαρπ και γουάϊτμπερντ...κλαινε...η φατσα του λουφφυ στο τελος ειναι απεριγραπτη...δν ξερω πως θα ξανασταθει στα ποδια του....

[laraska]

is there any raw ?

[didimakia]

εχουμε και βγηκαν αληθινα ^^
επικ σκηνες

Spoiler:

http://anime-and-manga.info/one-piece-574-manga-read-one-piece-chapter-574-manga/

[laraska]

oh shit !!!
δεν εγκεν ... ρουφφυ σουπα σαγιατζιν-κα γκιαρ κουατρο !

[Nikos21]

Spoiler:

wow...δεν το περιμενα και μαλλον δεν θα ειναι μονο ο Luffy with expression never seen before, αλλα και ολοι οι φανς του ΟΡ ... btw δεν θα μπορουσε να διαλεγε καλυτερο πρωτο θανατο ο οντα ε; (τα σποιλερς ειναι επιβεβαιωμενα?

Spoiler:

edit: ελεος εκανα το ποστ και μετα ειδα οτι εχω τεσσερις σελιδες πισω μ που δεν διαβασα

Εγώ δεν τον μισώ, τη δουλειά του κάνει ο ανθρωπος, το μεροκάματο να βγαίνει και έχει ο θεός

αχαχαχα +1!
btw ειμαι κι εγω συμφωνω οτι θα ναι ενδιαφερον για τη συνεχει ο θανατος του ace...και ειχατε δικιο για το expression του

Edited by Nikos21, 09 February 2010 - 16:19.

[laraska]

εχασε την παρθενια του το ουαν πιςς ... πλεον δεν ειναι ενα αθωο μανγκα . τωρα ειναι μαγκικο .

και με χαμογελο πηγε .

[Robin-Chwan]

Το ειπα οτι θα χαμογελαγε πριν το θανατο του!!!!!!!
Αντιο Ace....

Τουλ πεθανε σαν πραγματικος D.!

[Tea-chan]

Spoiler:

Αμάαααν...! Ένα μελαχρινό bishounen είχε το One Piece, ψόφησε κι αυτό! Άντε τώρα, μόνο ο Mihawk έμεινε...

[sgouver]

Θα δώσω ολόκληρη την ανάλυση του τύπου από το arlongpark που για μένα αποδυκνύει την σπουδαιότητα της τελευταίας εξέλιξης.

Spoiler:

Ace dying now, after they thought they had won, would set an amazing precedent where for the entire rest of the series, be it for the next ten years or fifteen, we could never be sure if someone was guaranteed survival again, it would re-instill a sense of sacrifice, peril, and villain danger thats been sorely lacking for a couple hundred chapters now. Since the end of Alabasta Oda's been pretty insincere about death and as a result we don't ever believe it when Oda plays that card anymore.

To actually kill the character that everyone has worked and sacrificed and tried so hard to save? To put in vain all that effort and to go completley contrary to pretty much all shonen rules, introduce an emotionally twisting moment beyond anything the series has had, and end a massive arc in a sad fashion?

It would be FANTASTIC writing to surprise us with this, and would provide a brilliant counterpoint to all the lives he's spared up to this point, if he was saving his one major death card for such a major unexpected character, that every rule of shonen says will be fine. If sparing everyone thus far really was a writers trick to lure us into a false sense of security?

I'm not a fan of death, and most of the time I actually LIKE the fact Oda doesn't waste characters. This arc never could have happened if Crocadile, Mr.3 and Buggy had all been killed in the past. But... when Oda cops out time and time again, it loses something. The sense of danger. The threat level of the villains, the accomplishments of the heroes. The feeling of loss when a character is gone forever.

One significant, unexpected, non-forshadowed main character death, would pretty much take care of that forever. Put the danger back in the series, and the risk a pirate takes when he sets out. It just takes one, right now in the middle of the series, for the effect to last to the end.

Whitebeard doesn't even count, because that's been broadcast since he first appeared practically, he's already old and sick, and its been incredibly obvious he'd die since Jimbei first explained WB protected Fishman island.

Its not about the act of killing or death itself. Its about ODA choosing, and constantly playing the "oh no, this character is dead now, lets all be sad about that and hate the villain!" and then, sometimes as soon as a single chapter later going "naw, just kidding, he's actually fine!" When he does it often and consistently enough, as he's done for nearly 400 chapters now (and he DIDN'T in the first 200) it starts to lose its impact and credibility.

Arlong remains credible to this day, because he killed people with his own hands, made slaves, and was an all around evil bastard and he had to be put down.

When Vivi's friends were killed due to Crocadile's scheming, and we saw more of them in flashbacks, there was an increasing sense of sadness and loss and "oh man... that guy was awesome... and he died before we got to know him!" And Crocadile is the evil bastard causing all this suffering, he needs to be stopped! Except all her childhood friends ended up being just fine, even the one that made the ultimate sacrifice at the end. Vivi's speeches, crying and fear of death were justified at the time. But... everyone surviving undercut a lot of that arc. And made all her speeches seem annoying and stupid and took away some of the credibility. It was allowed to slide, because it was big time heroic heroes with dreams and things to live for.

Then came skypeia, where every single minor character survived lightning to the face, multiple deadly reject dials, and so on. Every last one of them.

Water 7, the franky family "died" by falling off a cliff. but already the suspension of disbelief was gone, we knew they'd be fine, and they were.

In Shabandy the Tenryubiito are supposed to be ultimate asshole, with exploding collars on their slaves, and pissing on their graves... except everyone is fine. They imprison Caimie! They shoot Hatchi! Eh, they'll be fine. And they were.

Even as recently as Bon Kurei, even if we never see him again, the very next chapter, the first words out of Luffy's mouth were "No way, he's not actually dead!"

That sensibility undercuts the risk, danger, suspense, and the sacrifice.

If Oda didn't play the death card, it wouldn't be a problem. But he does. A lot. Then he takes it back. THATS where the problem is. He creates danger when there isn't any, and its hard to keep believing him on it after a while. The emotions stop being genuine. It's not about the dying, but about the worry of death.

Which is extra damning since he's so willing to do it in flashbacks, for... whatever reason.

I'm not anti-Ace at all, but it would be *amazing* if Oda actually killed him, for a huge variety of reasons.

Πολυ ενδιαφερον και εμπεριστατωμενο αυτο το αρθρο περι θανατου...

Αλλα μονο το γεγονος οτι εχουμε πιστει απολυτα στο οτι εχει πεθανει αποδεικνυει οτι το ''sense of death'' δεν εχει χαθει καθολου.

Παντως δεν ειμαι υπερ της λογικης να χανονται αδοξα χαρακτηρες που προσφερουν μπολικο θεαμα (η επιστροφη των παλιων villain μετρησε π.χ).

Αν και το αδοξο στην περιπτωση μας ειναι και υποκειμενικο, με την εννοια οτι ο ace θυσιαστικε για τον αδελφο του και ναι μεν εχασε με μια γροθια αλλα απο το φρουτο που εχει σχεδιαστει να ειναι η ''nemecis'' του.

Στην τελικη παντως καλυτερη εξεληξη θα ειναι αυτη που θα επιλεξει ο ιδιος ο oda...:nod2:...ο sensai ξερει τον τροπο να μας κανει να γουσταρουμε στο τελος.

Edited by sgouver, 09 February 2010 - 16:49.

[laraska]

κοιτα , εγω αν ηξερα , που πριν το ηξερα με τα τοτε δεδομενα , πως ο ασε δεν θα παθαινε κατι δεν θα με εκοφτε . και δεν με εκοφτε , τωρα ομως ειναι σαν να μας ξυπνησε απο το ληθαργο .