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#1 Ash_Pokemaster

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 12:09

Gia osous pisteuoun oti ta Pokemon Games (kai milaw gia ta traditional RPGs) einai epipedou Pokemon anime... ena tha pw... mallon tha deiksw: :dwarf:...
Ta paixnidia exoun grapsei istoria, exoun xwris amfibolia to pio teliopoihmeno battle system apo kathe allo RPG tou tupou tous. Oso gia ti genikh idea, uperoxh! Prototupo, proklhtiko, endiaferon, me apires epiloges, xwris telos! Pragmatika entuposiaka paixnidia pou exoun katapliksei kathe gamer pou eixe thn timh kai aksioprepeia na ta dokimasei.
Amfibalo an uparxei anthrwpos pou asxolithike xwris to sundromo "Pikachu" kai ta paixnidia tou afisan thn entuposh pws apefthinonte se paidia.

Isws na kanw kapoies analuseis argotera gia to ti perimenoume sto ameso mellon (to 2006 perimenoume arketo pragma).

Pros to paron thelw na akousw orimes kai etiologimenes apopseis gia ta paixnidia. Kales kai kakes(pou na brethoun bebaia kakes :bleh: ) einai emprosdektes apo th stigmh pou etiologounte aksioprepws. :)

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 12:31

loipon i apoΨi mou peri tou thematos einai i exis:ontos otan protobgikan ta paixnidia pokemon egine to kati allo sta forita gia to logo oti itan kati to prototipo me ton kairo omos ta pragmata allaxan mias kai ta pokemon(kata tin tapini mou gnomi panta)eixa arxisei na xanou tin prototipia pou eixan kapote me apotelesma na ginontai bareta kai na xerei o alos ti na perimenei
p.x pokemon red,pokemon blue itan idies,argotera bgikan kai ta paixnidia sto nintendo64 alla pali itan kati to opoi nai men stin arxi enthousiaze alla meta exane tin ousia tou kai ginotan bareto prospathies ginotan kai sto game cube alla pali mia apo ta idia ase pou kata ti gnomi mou tha mporousan na eixan kanei kalitero sistima maxis.

ta pokemongenika itan kati san moda pio poli pou perase.

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 14:02

Geez... ta'xoume pei auta. Diabaste auto pou egrapsa prin merikous mines gia parapona mh-ikanopoihshs gia Diamond/Pearl

Mias kai brethika sto topic as pw kai egw thn apopsh mou...
Loipon. Ta grapfika tou kosmou prepei na pw oti me enthousiasan. Nai, den to lew ws Pokemon Fan, milaw san antikeimenikos gamer. H othonh tou DS einai elafros megaluterh apo auth tou GBA. Prosopika den pisteuw oti ena 3D paixnidi tha tairiaze/xorage sto Flash Card tou DS to opio einai 256MB (nai... einai 2 Giga Bit apo oti gnwrizw, to opoio antistixei se 256 Mega Byte, opws eipa den eimai kai sigouros 100% omws). Oso gia to style to Pokemon, se portable toulaxiston, pisteuw oti prepei na minei ws exei, idio na blepeis pisw kai mprosta an me katalabainete. Akousa pollous na lene oti tha mporouse na exie graphika apo Zelda DS. Diafwnw apoluta me auto... 'H 3D 'h 2D, to cell-cended einai oti antitheto still gia to Pokemon. Apo meria tou kosmou, tou dinw arista proswpika, ta crwmata ta blepw pio zwntana kai blepw mia mikrh 3Dopoihsh akoma kai oxi apoluth, se style pou den xalaei thn idea. Kai fusika an kai akoma den exoume dei kai poles eikones, h polu sthn opoia perpataei h prwtagwnistria prepei na pw oti fenete akrws kaluterh apo autes tou GBA, kai opws exie parathrithei, o fwtismo metaksu arketwn eikonwn einai diaforetikos, pragma pou shmanei thn pithanh epistrofh ths meras kai ths nuxta, isws kai se duaforetiko epipedo (dld parapanw apo dup diaforetikoi fwtismoi se olh thn hmera, px na exei prwi mera, meshmerhj, apogeuma, bradu klp, pragma pou den exei anakoinwthei fusika kai elpizoume na doume). Episeis proswpika elegksa kalutera tis eikones, ta kai tiles me ta opoia einai ftiagmenes pistepste me einai para polla diaforetika. Meta apo ores epekserasias twn GBA roms se programata, exei polu megalh beltiwsh. Auta gia to overworld.
Apo thn meria twn maxwn den exw kai polla na pw. Prepei na pw oti perimena kai egw 3D maxes arxika, apo thn allh omws, an to skeftoume kalutera, ta Pokemon pou tha uparxoun se Diamond kai Pearl tha einai 500+. Oi kartes tou DS (opws eipa den eimai sigouros bebaia) einai 256 MB... Dld sobara twra, tha xwrousan tosa Models se mia karta. Kapoios mporei na pei "isws". E entaksh, an to ekanan tha epernan apo alla xarakthristika tou, kai opws eipa kai pio panw den fenete wraio to 3D (kata thn apopsh mou) se portable console. Kai prin to ksexasw, akousa sxolia allaghs tou Battle System. To Battle System, idios meta apo RS, me tis prosthikes Effort kai Individual Vallues kai alla mirror opws natures, to battle system DEN prepei na allaksei giait polu apla den ginete kalutero. Nea types combos tha doume opws kai nees epitheseis kai kalws, to battle system omws sundiazei paragontes, strathgikhs, douleias kai tuxhs, pragma pou to kanei ksexwristo kai monadiko. Einai (kai den bazw isws) to kalutero Battle System olwn twn epoxwn. Alla koufa pou akousa einai na elegxeis pou paei h epithesh kai to Pokemon sou sto touch screen kai tetoia... Oxi, auto tha xalage to paragonta ths tuxhs pou PREPEI na paizei rolo epidh tpt den einai apla sketh strathgikh kai ikanothta.
A kai na upogrammisw auto pou eipa gia alla xarakthristika pou proanefera oti den exoume dei. Den mporoume na katadikazoume to paixnidi exontas dei mono 8 eikones apo tis opoies uparxoun 3 battle opote idies sxedon kai duo pou einai oi xarakthres sta spitia tous pou einai episeis idies. Den kseroume akoma oute to 10% twn dunatothtwn tous, oute thn xrisi ths katw othonhs. Kai shmeiwste oti exei hdh ginei gnwsto oti oi DP tha xreisimopoioun OLES kai tonizw, tis dunatothtes tou Nintendo DS, sumperilambanontas kai to WiFi. Oso gia to WiFi, akouse protaseis kai parapona gia MMORPG, pou prepei na pw pws kai egw sumetixa arxika. Ta MMORPG tha XALAGAN thn idea/to style twn traditional Pokemon RPGs. Prepei na pw oti arxika hmoun MEGALOS fan tou eidous mh-exontas dokimasei na paiksw sobara. Meta apo 2 mhnes kapsimatos me ta idia kai ta idia, kai meta apo th dokimh 4 diaforwtikwn paixnidiwn diapistosa oti den exoun kati to fobero kai to tromero panw tous. Einai apla pou skeftese "Den eimai monos mou ston kosmo exw kai allous" to thema einai oti sta TRADITIONAL, prosoxh, sta traditional Pokemon Games kuriarxei h idea "Eimai monos mou ston kosmo, omws me perimenoun kai alloi apo eksw pou me perimenoun". Auto akribws, h olh idea anaferete stis maxes. Oi maxes kai oi antalages tha eprepe kata th gnwmh mou na einai ta options tou WiFi. Kai isws na ebgaine kapoio parartima sto Wii, to opoio exei kai thn texnikh kalupsh, alla einai kai TV Console, me polles perissoteres dunatothtes.
Loipon auta apo emena. Geniko sumperasma, mhn katakrinoume kati prin to doume, mhn allazoume thn paradwsei giati allazei kai to paixnidi, as perimenoume na doume parartimata gia diaforetiko style. Kai ena mhnuma pros tous Anti-Pokemon, an den sas aresei kathiste sta auga sas kai paikste me ta "kala" sas paixnidia, giati oso asxoliste deixnete anwrimothta, hlithiothta kai blakia.
Euxaristw :)


Pisteuw na sas kalupstei gia autes tis beltiwseis pou perimenete : (An kai genika sxoleiazei gia Diamond/Pearl pragmata, exei arketa pragmata genika)

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#4 Sandman

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 15:27

Ta paixnidia exoun grapsei istoria, exoun xwris amfibolia to pio teliopoihmeno battle system apo kathe allo RPG tou tupou tous


Otan ennoeis toy typoy toys ti akribws ennoeis?Yparxoun polla RPG klaseis anwtero apo auto me paromoio battle-system.To exw paiksei to Pokemon se gameboy emulator prin polla xronia kai marese arketa.Mhn ftanoyme sto allo akro ths yperbolhs omws.Eixe ypotypwdes senario kai genika polles ateleies.

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 15:39

Ta paixnidia exoun grapsei istoria, exoun xwris amfibolia to pio teliopoihmeno battle system apo kathe allo RPG tou tupou tous


Εξαρτάται και από το πόσο πορωμένος είναι με το θέμα, αυτός που υποστηρίζει αυτην την άποψη :rolleyes:

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#6 Kuso Kenshi

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 17:59

Πρέπει να ομολογήσω ότι είχα σκυλοβαρεθεί με τα Pokemon games, μέχρι που το καλό παιδί, ο Ash_Pokemaster, μου είπε για τις νέες Diamond κια Pearl! 8D
Από εκείνη τη στιγμή, θυμήθηκα τις παλιές, καλές μέρες και με έπιασε μια τρελή πόρωση με το παιχνίδι. Καλά, το τέρας έχει ηρεμήσει τώρα, αλλά δεν παύω να ανυπομονώ για τις νέες releases του παιχνιδιού.
Με βάση όσα ανέφερε παραπάνω ο Ash, θέλω να πω ότι κι εγώ ανησυχώ μήπως το "χαλάσουν" το παιχνίδι με τα νέα features του NDS και με άλλα άχρηστα add-ons. Γενικά, εμένα αυτά τα add-ons που είχε στις εκδόσεις του GBA, όπως grooming, contests(και γενικότερα ό,τι είχε σχέση με τις coolnes, beauty, toughness και τις υπόλοιπες attributes) δε μου άρεσαν καθόλου, μου φαίνονται εντελώς άχρηστα κι ότι υπάρχουν μόνο ως μια ύστατη προσπάθεια να κρατήσουν το ενδιαφέρον του παίκτη, ο οποίος στο υπόλοιπο παιχνίδι βλέπει συνεχώς τα ίδια και τα ίδια με όλα τα προηγούμενα pokemon games.
Κατά τη γνώμη μου, δε χρειάζεται κάθε φορά να βγαίνουν νέα pokemon, υπάρχουν ήδη αρκετά. Πιστεύω ότι τα pokemon rpg's χρειάζονται μια ριζική αλλαγή όσον αφορά την πλοκή-σενάριο του παιχνιδιού, το οποίο είναι βαρετό, επαναλαμβανόμενο και υποτυπώδες. Αυτό πιστεύω ότι θα τραβήξει την προσοχή όχι μόνο των παλιών παικτών της σειράς, αλλά και ακόμη περισσότερων παικτών των rpg's.
Όσο για το battle system και τις μεθόδους για level-up, νομίζω ότι είναι αρκετά πολύπλοκο και υπεισέρχονται πολυάριθμες παράμετροι στον τρόπο με τον οποίο εκπαιδεύεις-ετοιμάζεις την ομάδα σου. Ίσως θα έπρεπε να απλουστευθεί λιγάκι, ή τουλάχιστο, να μη γίνει πιο περίπλοκο.
Τώρα, για το battle animation, ναι κι εγώ θα το ήθελα πολύ να έχει 3D animated μάχες, αλλά, αν και οι δυνατότητες του NDS μπορούν να το υποστηρίξουν, δεν είναι εφικτό από πλευρά της χωρητικότητας μνήμης των καρτών μνήμης του NDS, αφού τα pokemon είναι τόσο πολλά που δυστυχώς αποκλείεται να χωρέσουν όλα τα 3D models στο παιχνίδι.

Αυτά τα λίγα από μένα.
"Mind like water is a visual metaphor for a state of
being. Choice is a function of awareness, awareness comes
as a function of meditation. Observe things from a place
of non-reaction, which does not mean detachment, but means
not attached to an outcome. Knowing others is intelligent.
Knowing yourself is enlightened. Conquering others takes force.
Conquering yourself is true strength. Knowing what is enough is
wealth. Forging ahead shows inner resolve."
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Posted 30 June 2006 - 20:02

[Εξαρτάται και από το πόσο πορωμένος είναι με το θέμα, αυτός που υποστηρίζει αυτην την άποψη :rolleyes:


Otan milhsa gia anwrima epixeirimata egw kati hksera telika...
Paidia pragmatika DEN exete upopsin sas gia ti battle system milame... Milame gia POLLOUS paragontes pou paizoun rolo sthn ekpaideush enws Pokemon. Stats, Attacks, Natures, Types, Abilities, Items.

Stats: Kathorizonte apo 3 paragontes, katarxin ta basika stats enos Pokemon, 500 peripou diaforetikes formes stats (afou kapou 500 tha pane ta Pokemon se Diamond/Pearl). Deuteron apo ta Effort Vallues, 3 effort vallues gia kathe diaforetiko stat apo kathe Pokemon gia +1 sto suggekrimeno stat. Gia paradeigma polemontas 3 tentacool (ta opoia dinoun effort vallues gia sp. defence), otan to pokemon proxorisei ena level to sp. defence tha auksithei kata 1 apo oti tha ginotan kanonika. To kathe Pokemon deinei se diaforetiko stat pontous, gia paradeigma to Ratata sto speed, to Caterpie sta HP, to Tentacool sto Sp. defence kai loipa. Orio sta effort vallues einai to 255, meta apo 255 Pokemon (pou deinoun 1 effort vallue ennoeite, afou orismena deinoun 2'h kai 3), to Pokemon pou ekpaideuete den mporei na parei alla Effort Vallues gia na proothithei allos stat tou. Triton ta individual vallues, autoi einai oi pontoi me tous opoious ena Pokemon geniete kai kathorizoun pws tha pane ta basika tou stats xwris na lambanonte up'ophn ta Effort Vallues. Ta Individual Vallues, kathorizonte ta misa apo enan gonio kai ta alla misa apo ton allo gonio enos Pokemon (nai einai kati san to zhgoto xD). Ta individual vallues einai apoluta kai den allazoun me kanena xristo. Telos, ta basika stats epireazoun ta natures twn Pokemon, ta opoia prothetoun pontous se ena stat kai meiwnoun ena allo, htte den allazoun tipota.

Attacks: Nomizw oti einai profanes, uparxoun panw apo 400 epitheseis. H kathe epithesh einai enos kathorismenou tupou. Oles oi epitheseis exoun ena rate gia to posh zhmia tha prokalesoun, kathos kai ena allo rate gia tis pithanothtes pou h epithesh tha petixei. H zhmia pou prokanite kathorizete apo tous eksis paragontes. Katarxin an mia epithesh einai tupou physical (oi physical tupoi kathos kai oi special tha anaferthoun meta) tote rolo sto Pokemon pou epitithete paizei to Attack. An h epithesh einai tupou special tote rolo paizei to special attack. Apo th meria tou amunomenou Pokemon, to Defence einai h amuna enantias twn Physical epithesewn, enw to Special Defence kati antistixo gia tis special epitheseis, episeis rolo paizoun ta HP pou exei to Pokemon. Episeis ta special effects kathorizoun pragmata opws an to Pokemon tha allaksei condition (Poisoned, Burnt etc), kathws kai alla pragmata opws to alla tha paei flintched dhladh den tha mporei na epitethei. Episeis, sths epitheseis rolo paizoun oi tupoi twn Pokemon pou epitithete kai amunete. An to Pokemon pou epitithete exei pleonektima sto Pokemon pou amunete tote h epithesh paei x2, an exei meionektima tote paei x 0.5, an exei diplo pleonektima (Afou polla Pokemon einai diplwn tupwn) paei x4 kai paei legontas. Episeis an to Pokemon kanei mia epithesh h opoia einai tou tupou tou (Gia paradeigma enas Charizard pou einai Fire Pokemon kanei Fire Blast pou einai fire epithesh) h epithesh tha paei x1.5. Sunolika uparxoun para polu sundiasmoi pou mporoun na aneresoun, bohthisoun akoma kai apotrepsoun mia epithesh. Episeis uparxoun epitheseis pou den prokaloun zhmia alla epiptoseis sto amunomeno 'h epitethomeno Pokemon. Gia paradeigma uparxoun epitheseis pou megalonoun kapoio stat kata th diarkeia mias maxhs, alles pou apotrepoun auth thn aukshsh, alles pou allazoun to condition, alles pou therapeuoun to Pokemon en meroi 'h ke terma kai polla alla... To kathe Pokemon mporei na mathei kapoies suggekrimenes epitheseis kai kamia parapanw apo autes, me diaforetikous tropous, opws proxorontas levels, mathenontas TMs/HMs, kanontas breedings kai pernontas tes apo tous goneis tou, apo anthrwpouns pou exoun thn ikanothta na mathainoun ta pokemon ta legomena "Move Tutors" kai alla (oxi basika den einai alla... : P). Telos, uparxei o paragontas tis tuxhs pou einai to critical hit to opoio auksanei th zhmia pou prokalute sto amunomeno Pokemon. O paragontas autos epireazete polles fores apo antikeimena opws to dire hit. Ksexasa na anafero oti to poio Pokemon tha epitethei prwto kathorizete apo stat "Speed" ennos Pokemon, 'h kai apo th xrhsh diaforon antikimenon. Ena Pokemon "lupothima" dhldadh einai anikano na sunexisei th maxh otan tou teleiwsoun ta HP (Health Points).

Nature: Uparxoun shnolika 24 tupoi natures. O kathe tupos exei kai diaforetikh idiotita. Genika, ta natures pou einai ousiastika h "fush" enos Pokemon, (dhladh to pws ferete, trelo, monaxiko kai loipa) prosthetoun pontous ena stat kai meiwnoun se ena allo 'h den kanoun tipota. Ta natures kathorizonte akribws opws ta Individual Vallues, dhladh otan genhthei/piasthei/dothei ena Pokemon, kai den allazoun me kanena tropo. Ena paradeigma nature einai to ekhs. An ena Venusaur einai gia paradeigma Adamant nature shmenei oti sta basika stats tou auksanonte merikoi pontoi sto Attack eno meiwnonte sto Special Attack. An omws to idio venusaur htan Relaxed nature tote tha htan Defence + kai Speed -, an htan serius den tha prothetotan tipota se tipota, oute tha meionotan kai paei legontas. Ta natures twn Pokemon kathorizonte sthn Pokemon Emerald (nai mono se auth, an kai den eimai sigouros 100%) apo auta twn goniwn tous, enw se alles ekdoseis einai entelws tuxaia.

Types: Uparxoun sunolika 17 tupoi Pokemon. To kathe Pokemon anoikoi se enan 'h duo tupous kai auto einai apolito kai den allazei (ektos an to Pokemon exei to Ability Color Change, opws to Kecleon, kai allazei tupo kathe fora pou tou epitithonte). Oi tupoi paizoun ekseretiko rolo stis maxes. Katarxin o tupos mias epitheshs (molis twra pou to grafw auto anakoinwthikan 5 nea Pokemon, ta signature duo twn Diamond/Pearl opws kai to trio, as sunexisw loipon...) kathorizei to damage pou tha prokalesei analoga me ta stats. An h epithesei einai special (Fire, Water, Electric etc) tote to amunomeno Pokemon exei thn special Defence, enw an o tupos ths epitheseis eina physical (normal, fighting, steel etc) tote rolo paizei to Defence. Kati antistoixo ginete kai sto epitethomeno Pokemon alla rolo se auto paizei to Sp. Attack kai Attack antistixa. Episeis einai kathorismeno kai den allazei pia types exoun pleonektima se pia. Gia paradeigma to Water sto Fire, to Fire sto Grass, to Grass sto Water, to Steeil sto Rock, to Fighting sto normal kai alla...

Abilities: Ta abilities einai kapoies eidikes texnikes me tis opoies ena Pokemon geniete. Autes einai kathorismenes apo thn arxh tou paixnidiou. To kathe Pokemon mporei na exei mia ability mono. Polla Pokemon exoun epilogh se 2 abilities, apo tis opoies omws mono mia mpainei sto Pokemon, apo tote pou geniete/pianete/dinete. Megalo rolo se auto paizoun ta ability twn goniwn twn Pokemon. Diafores einai oi idiothtes twn abilities oi opoies den einai kai liges. (an kai omologo oti den tis exw metrisei)

Items: To kathe Pokemon mporei na krataei ena antikeimeno. Auto to antikeimeno profanos epidra se diafora meroi tis maxhs. Allote mporei na therapeuei to Pokemon en merh se kathe guro (xarakthristiko antikeimeno, to Leftovers), alles fores mporei na megalonei kapoio stat otan h energia pefth katw apo to 1/4 (polla kai diafora berries) kai allote megalwnei to Sp. Attack/Attack otan xrisimopoihte ena hdos epitheseis mono kata th diarkeia auths ths epitheseis (opws gia paradeigma to Charcoal gia tis fire epitheseis). Uparxoun episeis alla antikeimena pou giatreuoun conditions opws sleep, paralize, burn kai alla. Uparxoun fusika kai alla ametritwn xreisewn antikeimena.


HLIKRRINA! POIO THEIKO GAMHMENO (sorry kai gia thn ekfrash) PAIXNIDI EXEI KALUTERO BATTLE SYSTEM GAMWTO?!
Paidia PRAGMATIKA kourastika, auta einai mono MERIKA apo ta pragmata pou mporoun na brethoun sto Pokemon (gia na katalabete, auta pou eipa den kaluptoun KAN tous paragontes mias maxhs apoluta, einai peripou ena 70-80%). Skeftite oti oi maxes den einai to mono sto Pokemon, isws einai to 1/5 tou...

PS: Dhte kai auto to neo, http://serebii.net/index2.shtml
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#8 Phantom Duck

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Posted 01 July 2006 - 00:35

Αν ήξερα ότι θα έκανες τόσο μεγάλο post, δεν θα έγραφα καθόλου αυτην την φράση :bleh:

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#9 Ash_Pokemaster

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Posted 01 July 2006 - 08:33

Kala kala :P :bleh: Pantws akoma perimeno game me kalutero battle system... Sas efaga ahahahaha :bleh: :hehe: 8D :happy2:

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#10 uzumaki_naruto

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Posted 01 July 2006 - 09:26

Ash_Pokemaster:

Kala kala Tongue Bleh Pantws akoma perimeno game me kalutero battle system... Sas efaga ahahahaha Bleh Hehe Laugh Happy2


kalala den exei kai to kalitero battle system mias pou den einai kan prototipo,sigoura eiparxoun polla paixnidia pou akolouthoun tin idia taktiki me to battle system tous oi alla pou exoun exelixi pros to kalitero ena eidi iparxon battle system i exoun ftiaxei apo to miden ena kainourio.

kuso kenshi:

Κατά τη γνώμη μου, δε χρειάζεται κάθε φορά να βγαίνουν νέα pokemon, υπάρχουν ήδη αρκετά. Πιστεύω ότι τα pokemon rpg's χρειάζονται μια ριζική αλλαγή όσον αφορά την πλοκή-σενάριο του παιχνιδιού, το οποίο είναι βαρετό, επαναλαμβανόμενο και υποτυπώδες. Αυτό πιστεύω ότι θα τραβήξει την προσοχή όχι μόνο των παλιών παικτών της σειράς, αλλά και ακόμη περισσότερων παικτών των rpg's.


ligo diskolo mou fainetai na exoun kalitero senario ta pokemon,giati ti tha mporouse na einai,sto kato kato milame gia ta pokemon :bleh:

#11 Kuso Kenshi

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Posted 01 July 2006 - 09:52

Κατά τη γνώμη μου, δε χρειάζεται κάθε φορά να βγαίνουν νέα pokemon, υπάρχουν ήδη αρκετά. Πιστεύω ότι τα pokemon rpg's χρειάζονται μια ριζική αλλαγή όσον αφορά την πλοκή-σενάριο του παιχνιδιού, το οποίο είναι βαρετό, επαναλαμβανόμενο και υποτυπώδες. Αυτό πιστεύω ότι θα τραβήξει την προσοχή όχι μόνο των παλιών παικτών της σειράς, αλλά και ακόμη περισσότερων παικτών των rpg's.


ligo diskolo mou fainetai na exoun kalitero senario ta pokemon,giati ti tha mporouse na einai,sto kato kato milame gia ta pokemon :bleh:


Γιατί ρε, τι έχει το pokemon για να μη μπορεί να αποκτήσει καλύτερο σενάριο; Στο πηγάδι κατούρησε ο Satoshi; Πραγματικά δε σε καταλαβαίνω...είπαμε να γράφουμε ώριμες απόψεις με ορθό και δικαιολογημένο λόγο... Τι θα πει "για τα Pokemon μιλάμε"; :dry:
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Posted 01 July 2006 - 10:02

Kai ena mhnuma pros tous Anti-Pokemon, an den sas aresei kathiste sta auga sas kai paikste me ta "kala" sas paixnidia, giati oso asxoliste deixnete anwrimothta, hlithiothta kai blakia.

Kai se auto to shmeio prostithonte kai h 2 teleutaioi xarakthrismoi...

Re gamw to kerato mou gamw! Ekatsa kai ekana plhrh perigrafh twn basikwn stoixiws tou battle system 2 wres me post pou gemizei 3 A4 selides kai tzampa o kopos mou! Xwris pareksigish, to diabases auto pou egrapsa? Tha htan polu asfales na stoiximatisw oti den diabases oute to 1/4 tou... to Pokemon Batte System einai monadiko apo to 0 ftiagmeno... Beltiwseis UPARXOUN! Ena megalo meros tou "kanona" Effort Vallues eisaxthike se Advanced Generation (Ruby/Sapphire+) to idio kai ta Natures kai polla alla pragmata...
Kai an AKOMA epimeneis, thelw paradeigma kai oxi

kalala den exei kai to kalitero battle system mias pou den einai kan prototipo,sigoura eiparxoun polla paixnidia pou akolouthoun tin idia taktiki me to battle system tous oi alla pou exoun exelixi pros to kalitero ena eidi iparxon battle system i exoun ftiaxei apo to miden ena kainourio.

Oso to gia to "den einai prototupo"... auto einai to pio aparadekto pragma pou akousa tis teleutaies bdomades... Kai den xreiazete na sou apodeiksw tipota, apla aksiosou na diabaseis to prohgoumeno mou post

ligo diskolo mou fainetai na exoun kalitero senario ta pokemon,giati ti tha mporouse na einai,sto kato kato milame gia ta pokemon :bleh:

Epomenh analutikh perigrafh: Pws sumperiferete o anwrimos average ellhnas...

Γιατί ρε, τι έχει το pokemon για να μη μπορεί να αποκτήσει καλύτερο σενάριο; Στο πηγάδι κατούρησε ο Satoshi; Πραγματικά δε σε καταλαβαίνω...είπαμε να γράφουμε ώριμες απόψεις με ορθό και δικαιολογημένο λόγο... Τι θα πει "για τα Pokemon μιλάμε"; :dry:

Swstos... einai polu pou merikoi apla theloun na thewrounte "magges" kai blepoun ta pragmata me th logikh "Pokemon = Pikachu" (kai suggnwmh pou prosbanw ton Pikachu, den exw tipota mazi tou, milaw gia ton anwrimo topo pou xreisimopoihte to suggekrimeno Pokemon)...

Edit: Parapiptwntos, auto einai to 386, o arithmos twn Pokemon ws twra (auta pou einai "oloklhromena" anyway) Xairomai pou to post auto briskete se ena Pokemon Thread san auto. :clap:

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Posted 01 July 2006 - 10:52

loipon epeidi parexigithikan merika pragmata pou eipa para pano egine epidei den eixa orexi na grafo poli megala post

exoume kai leme otan eipa oti milame gia ta pokemon den to eipa gia na ta mioso san paixnidi i san eidea,alla pio pano egraψa ti kalitero senario tha mporouse na exei kai apo ti fainetai den apantise kanenas,den xero posa RPG's exete paixei,alla ena kalo senario rpg epireazei to geniko ifos tou paixnidiou,diladi oti senario kai na exei to pokemon tha einai panta rixo se sigrisi me ta senaria allon RPG's(exalou min xexname gia pies ilikies apeuthinetai).

Ash_Pokemaster:

Oso to gia to "den einai prototupo"... auto einai to pio aparadekto pragma pou akousa tis teleutaies bdomades... Kai den xreiazete na sou apodeiksw tipota, apla aksiosou na diabaseis to prohgoumeno mou post


diabasa to post sou sxetika me to battle sistem alla thelo na sou po oti pote den paineutike toso gia na tou dosoun ton titlo tou prototipou i tou kaliterou,merika paixnidia ta opia eixan tromero battle system itan ta FINAL FANTASY VII,FINAL FANTASY X,kai genika ta online paixnidia opos
Lineage II,WOW,as exigisoume tora ligo ta battle systems ton parapano paixnidion afou prota na anafero oti to kalo battle system einai sinithos auto pou einai euplasto.

FINAL FANTASY VII:to battle system tou itan pragmatika axiepaino,gia to exis logo ipirxan para pola materials ta opia eixan para polous sindiasmous,me auton ton tropo mporouses na ftiaxneis ti stratigiki sou opos itheles(poles maxes den kai rdizontan apla patontas to koumpi attack kai pigenontas xima sto kima)episis ta materials eixan epiroi pano sta status ton xaraktiron akoma kai sta teleutea opla tous.

FINAL FANTASY X:edo ta pragmata itan pio exeligmena mias kai den eipirxe to patroparadoto LEVELUP alla ti thesi tou tin eixe parei to Garmen Grid,kerdizontas mia maxi o paixtis epairne kapies sfaires pou epetepan
vaze ntas tes pano sto Garmen Grid na anebasei ta status ton xaraktiron tou i na tous mathei naia abilitys kai magics,ara mporouses na ftiaxeis tous xaraktires sou opos eitheles.

Lineage II,WOW:den exo paixei kanena apo ta dio (otan paixo kapio apo ta dio tha tekmirioso tin apoψi mou,an ta exei paixei kapios kai mporei na mas diafotisi as to kanei kai xana leo oti i apoψi mou gia ta sigkekrimena paixnidia einai mono logikes skeψιs)fantazomai loipon oti afou einai online
simainei sinexeis exelixei tou paixnidiou,den eiparxei mono enas tropos gia na paixeis ton xaraktira sou mias kai mporeis na ton ftiaxeis opos thes.

ta paixnidia pou proanefera den einai ta monadika me axiologo i prototipo i na exoun exelixi ena palio battle system se kati kalitero sigoura iparxoun kai alla (otan ta thimitho tha ta graψo)..


Ash_pokemaster:

Epomenh analutikh perigrafh: Pws sumperiferete o anwrimos average ellhnas...

ta video games ta krinoume antikimenika kai oxi me to ti mas aresi perisotero,kai parakalo prosoxi stis ekfrasis dioti mporeis na parexigithis.

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Posted 01 July 2006 - 12:08

Loipon, tha milhsw gia oti exw paiksei...
Final Fantasy X: Basika exoun perasei xronia apo tote pou to epaiksa... Alla sobara... mono TOLMAS kai suggrineis to toso aplo battle system me auto to Pokemon? Gia pes mou... sta stats posous paragontes edeiksa? Individual Vallues, Effort Vallues, Level Up dld basika stats enws Pokemon, kai einai kai alla pou den anefera opws antikeimena 'h epitheseis... Sobara re gamwto... to theoreis anwtero...

Lineage, WoW kai loipa MMORPGs...: Katarxin na ksekatharisw oti einai NTROPH na sugxeeis ena MMORPG me ena RPG, oi duo tupoi paixnidiwn parolo to gegonos oti exoun sto onoma tou th leksh RPG den exoun KAMIA sxesh... Den exw paiksei L2 oute WoW, exw parakolouthisei bebaia, kai exw paiksei kai alla MMOs. Eleos... ELEOS!!!! Sobara re milas? Ta MMORPGs xarakthrizonte apo to anioro kai aksiolupito battle system tous... Suggnwmh an isxuei kati diaforetiko gia ta prokimena duo omws apo oti kserw...

Genika kserw oti to Pokemon DEN diakrinete gia to "tromero" plot tou, se antithesh me to Final Fantasy, 'h thn epilogh omws sigoura den uparxei kanena paixnidi me kalutero battle system...

Oso gia thn antikeimenikotita, to terastio post mou pisteuw oti einai eparkos antikeimeniko, afou perigrafh isxuonta pragmata me analutikh perigrafh parapano apo 4 grammwn ;)

H shzhthsh den aksizei na sunexisei suggnwmh an se ethiksa me opoiodhpote tropo 'h an ediksa thn autarxikh mou pleura, omws mou th dinei afantasta na milane anthrwpoi gia kati mou den gnwrizoun kai na xrhsimopoioun anorima kai xaza epixeirimata gia na apodeiksoun oti exoun dikio. Suggnwmh kai pali gia ton xarakthrismo omws an sunexisw na milaw den tha teleiwsw kai tha ginoume apo 2 xwria xwriates...

File uzumaki_naruto se ekliparo na paikseis Pokemon kai na psakseis ta prolegomena mou an pragmatika thes na diapistwseis oti den aksizei ws paixnidi. Kserw na mou peis exeis paiksei... Kai poios den exei paiksei? Omws sou milaw na paikseis ligo pio sobara kai xwris thn pepithesei oti Pokemon=Pikachu.

Kai pali suggnwmh. An einai na shzhxisei h shzhthsh as to kanoume se ena pio upio bathmo...

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Posted 01 July 2006 - 13:21

pou brikes tin analisi tou battle system ton pokemon kai poso kairo asxolise me ta video games,pokemon exo paiksei poli palia exo paiksei tin red,blue,yellow,silver,gold,kai to pokemo gia to game cube,oso gia ta paixnidia pou anefera einai mono mia stagona ston okeano,oso gia to an theoro anotero to battle systenm tonn ff asfalos kai nai kai oxi mono tonn ff gia ton logo oti mporeis na alilepidrasis me auto ara lambanontai ipoψi pio poliploki paragontes,kai na to paroume apla esi pairneis os paradeigma ena paixnidi sto gameboy kai to bgazeis oti exeis to kalitero battle system,exeis koitaxei katholou alla RPG's gia na deis to ti paizei me to battle system tous kai to pos auto exelizetai sto paixnidi i sti sinexia tou titlou.kai apooti katalaba theoris to battle system ton pokemon to pio poliploko pou exei emfanisti sta video games mias kai se ena sou post aneferes oti perimeneis na sou poun paixnidia me kalitero battle system ma kala pos ebgales auto to simperasma,kati teleuteo to battle system ton pokemon stin ousia den einai kati toso diskolo gia na ftiaxtei.

kati akoma an deis to pos bgainoun ta status sto FFX kai to pos leitourgei
o yojimbo(ena aeon samurai einai pou kanei epithesis stin tixi)tha katalabeis oti oi formules pou exoun xrisimpopieithi einai poloi pio poliplokes apo oti ton pokemon.